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[unlucky7]

From: Anonymous
Date: October 26th

Personal happiness or loyalty. Suppose choosing one comes at the cost of the other, which would you choose and why?

Comments

From: Edge

[onehandsomeslickninja]

If your loyalty doesn't make you happy, it's not well-placed at all!

Anonymous

[unlucky7]

That's not what the question is asking.

[But still a useful answer for consideration.]

[onehandsomeslickninja]

Sure it is. If your loyalty is given properly, you wouldn't be happy to abandon it.

[unlucky7]

Maybe I don't know what loyalty is then.

Re: From: Edge

[pure_radiantics]

This would be my answer as well!

Anonymous

[unlucky7]

[Okay fine, that's two people.]

Noted.

Would you then also agree that if someone isn't happy with who they're loyal to, they should find another person or reason?

From Kairi

[pure_radiantics]

Mmm... if it's a person, I think that can change back and forth. People might not feel great one day and need support from you, someone they trust, in order to get back on their feet. They might do things that don't make me happy or proud to be loyal to them, but if they apologize and want to be better, I think I'd forgive them at least a few times for trying.

Anonymous

[iron59]

Loyalty to who? I would chose some people I know first. But only some.

Anonymous

[unlucky7]

I'll leave it to the individual to decide whether its loyalty to a specific person or a blanket statement.

Anonymous

[iron59]

Then some people earn loyalty.

The rest can jump in a lake.

text, from: Li Tieguai

[reformedsinner]

Unless you have no loyalties, or you don't care at all for your own happiness, you have to find a way to balance the two-- isn't that right?

In other words, it depends on the situation.

Anonymous

[unlucky7]

I suppose.

What if the situation is a hypothetical one where you have to choose one or the other?

[reformedsinner]

I don't think either concept has any value when you isolate them from specifics.

The person who answered you first said, "Loyalty that doesn't make you happy is ill-placed." I would also say, "Can you be happy, having betrayed someone's trust?"

text, anonymous

[deniles]

Loyalty.

Happiness is meaningless without something to serve.

Anonymous

[unlucky7]

I see.

Is loyalty meaningless without happiness to serve?

Anonymous

[deniles]

No.
Loyalty does not have to be happy.
Loyalty has to be willing to serve.

Anonymous Text

[thevanguard]

Why would you be loyal to someone or something that makes you unhappy, though? Loyalty is something earned. It doesn't just happen.

Anonymous

[unlucky7]

Duty? Obligation? I'm sure there are other reasons.

How do you know when someone deserves your loyalty?

[thevanguard]

Look. Obligation is not the same thing as loyalty at all. Obligation is something you HAVE to do. Loyalty is something you feel. Something you believe in. If it's something you have to force? It's not really loyalty.

I don't think there's one answer for that. I think it's different, on who you are. On what you're looking for.

But if you're questioning if you SHOULD be loyal to them? That... might be a warning sign.

text | from: Carl Adler

[smilingbullet]

I agree with the first reply to this post.

I put loyalty first, but I also want to be happy so when it's possible to choose, I'd like to do so. And in this case the largest bit of loyalty comes to our gods if we're shinki, or at least that's what it is for me, so choosing to follow a god that I like and get along with is important.

Anonymous

[unlucky7]

Have you ever been with a god you didn't like/get along with?

[smilingbullet]

Not this far, no. I've been lucky that way. The first couple ones I had didn't stick around for very long after they had named me, though, so I've still had to find someone more than once.

anonymous, late but dangit

[kokuyoyo]

I would say loyalty, but I've been told that's wrong.

It looks like you're getting the same.

Anonymous, no worries!

[unlucky7]

Everyone that's gone with loyalty has had good points though.

No one's argued strictly happiness, rather both work with each other.

[kokuyoyo]

It seems the opposite to me. If you're really loyal, you'll be happy.