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Demyx | Rakuki ([personal profile] sitarsongs) wrote in [community profile] thefarshore2017-03-15 12:51 pm

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From: Demyx
Date: June 24

So a friend told me that shinki can go off on their own somehow. Like if their god doesn’t like them or something. But also that people get, like, upset about it for some reason.


[ Which doesn’t make sense to him at all. But maybe he’s being closed-minded about this. Either way, it doesn’t hurt to ask, right? ]

How does that happen? And why do people get upset?

Asking for a friend.
reformedsinner: (slasher smile)

[personal profile] reformedsinner 2017-03-15 06:17 pm (UTC)(link)
If you want to leave your god, you can ask them to release you.

No one should be upset about that, although if you don't find a new god, you'll be helpless if anything happens to you, of course.
reformedsinner: (fear the smile)

[personal profile] reformedsinner 2017-03-16 01:33 am (UTC)(link)
Yes. To both.

Tell your god to ask one of the older ones if they aren't sure yet how to release a shinki. I take it you're having problems?

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[personal profile] nolittlesecret 2017-03-15 07:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Why would it bother other people? It's not like we're property.

Unless they think so, which just makes them look like bad people.
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[personal profile] nolittlesecret 2017-03-16 02:10 am (UTC)(link)
If my god doesn't want me, and I don't wanna stick around, I'd rather be let go than be miserable. I could find a couch or two to crash on.

Worst comes to worst, I don't mind camping.

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armigers: ponponpon @ dw (♛ 172)

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[personal profile] armigers 2017-03-15 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
They can? What do they become if they don't have a god then? Asking for a friend, too.

[ Well, he's not totally lying about that one. He is, indeed, asking for a friend. ]
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[personal profile] armigers 2017-03-18 04:31 pm (UTC)(link)
But it won't make them turn back into what they were, would it? Before becoming a shinki, that is...
very_goodman: (thoughtful)

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[personal profile] very_goodman 2017-03-16 12:30 am (UTC)(link)
People get upset about a lot of dumb stuff around here. I wouldn't worry too much about it.
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[personal profile] very_goodman 2017-03-16 02:56 am (UTC)(link)
Well, I mean, only the god who named ya can take the name away, so there's that. But if you're not gettin' along in the first place, only a real jackass of a god would refuse to do that.

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[personal profile] bussounoshima 2017-03-16 12:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Hakkai already explained the basic concept to you. Ask your current god to remove the name they gave you, then ask whichever god you prefer to give you a new name. As far as I can tell, that's the recommended course of action from most people here.

What people disapprove of is "nora". Shinki who have more than one name on their body at a time. For example, if you asked your new god to name you before your previous god had released you, or if you kept both names going forward. That seems to be the controversial issue around here.
bussounoshima: (I'll take the fried rice-)

[personal profile] bussounoshima 2017-03-16 07:46 pm (UTC)(link)
If he refuses, there are people you can contact for assistance.

["Assistance" mostly means "intimidation" under these circumstances but hey. Sharak has Feelings about this.]

For some, it's an issue of loyalty. They see the relationship between shinki and god as exclusive, at least from the shinki's side of things. For others, it just doesn't sit right. But there are plenty among the newer gods and shinki who don't have a problem with it.

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dominatriarch: ([...] | If you could lead the way)

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[personal profile] dominatriarch 2017-03-17 03:43 am (UTC)(link)
Our distaste for nora, that is... a shinki with more than one name, comes from a time before the first newcomers arrived. Back then, bonds between gods and shinki were much more different than what they are now. While I would discourage anyone becoming a nora, I understand why there are those among the newcomers who hold no ties to either their god or their shinki.
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[personal profile] dominatriarch 2017-03-17 02:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Acquiring shinki used to be a more personal matter. We found them as spirits wandering the Near Shore and named them ourselves. They were never assigned to us as many of you are to each other.

The names we bestowed upon our shinki were once held as badges of honor, a sign that you had been selected by a god. But I'm well aware times are changing. Not every shinki feels this way toward their god and not every god feels this way toward their shinki.


[ And it is a little sad to think things have gone down that road. ]

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pure_radiantics: (convo] what are you saying...?)

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[personal profile] pure_radiantics 2017-03-17 09:07 pm (UTC)(link)
[Kairi zeroes in on the conversations that make it obvious Demyx is talking about his own god, so she decides to take this private.]

Demyx, who's your god? If there's something wrong, you should talk to them. Bad things happen when we resent our gods.

[She's seen it.]
pure_radiantics: (convo] unsure)

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[personal profile] pure_radiantics 2017-03-18 11:24 pm (UTC)(link)
[ She's a little overly concerned after watching a shinki scream in pain for a half an hour to get the blight seared off their skin. ]

Okay... Okay, I'm glad.

[...]

My god didn't pick me either you know.

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koukai_kirai: (One song - He had the world at his feet)

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[personal profile] koukai_kirai 2017-03-20 01:13 am (UTC)(link)
As I understand it, shinki here have always had the right to ask their gods to release them. If your friend's god mistreats them, they're well within their rights to consider their options, especially considering how little of a choice they're likely to have had in their initial assignment.

People get upset because people get attached to their ideas of everyone having their proper place and staying in it. But no shinki is obligated to stay with a god who doesn't do anything to deserve their loyalty.
koukai_kirai: (Everybody wants to change the world)

[personal profile] koukai_kirai 2017-03-20 11:22 pm (UTC)(link)
That seems to be the intent. The balance of power between shinki and gods can seem skewed, and sometimes is, so it's important that shinki have a way out if a god isn't any good for them.

If they don't ask, or if the god refuses to release them and they do it anyway. Shinki who switch gods, at least theoretically, aren't supposed to be stigmatized, but nora are often spoken of as if they're deceptive or treacherous. Divided loyalties are a heavy burden to bear, even with the best of reasons.


[He's a little slower to look down on them, especially since he's nora'd a shinki himself. Things aren't always as simple as you'd like them to be, and matters of loyalty and honor are deeply personal, so he's reluctant to really judge anyone who's trying their best with the situation they were thrown into.]