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thefarshore2018-09-18 10:50 pm
ammyterasu) wrote in thefarshore2018-09-18 10:50 pm
Heaven's BBS
From: Amaterasu
Posted: Jan 23
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We understand that it is difficult to bear the unexpected loss of gods and shinki to whom you are attached. However, please bear in mind that we, too, find these disappearances to be a tragic mystery.
To clarify: I cannot bring back those that you may have lost.
Any violence against my home or my shinki will be met with a proportionate response.
We would like to ask if anyone is willing to accept responsibility for the shinki who calls himself "Sha Gojyo," as the god who we know to be his is no longer among us.
Posted: Jan 23
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We understand that it is difficult to bear the unexpected loss of gods and shinki to whom you are attached. However, please bear in mind that we, too, find these disappearances to be a tragic mystery.
To clarify: I cannot bring back those that you may have lost.
Any violence against my home or my shinki will be met with a proportionate response.
We would like to ask if anyone is willing to accept responsibility for the shinki who calls himself "Sha Gojyo," as the god who we know to be his is no longer among us.
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What exactly is your intended punishment, for if it happens again?
That is not particularly what I'm doing, I want it to be fair and I want the system shared and our cooperation to be effective, which it certainly isn't. The current relationship between us and you are not helping.
Deepening the relationship between old and new gods might be useful and could help in preventing this to repeat to some part. There's a certain lack of trust between the different parties, and that's only going to make it harder to deal with most situations. It makes it difficult for some to believe that you're not in at least partially responsible for the situation. In many faiths, gods are supposed to be omnipotent after all, so it would be a small feat for you to bring us here and send us away, is how the reasoning thus goes. This makes it easy to blame you for the disappearances, and some people are always bound to take them harder than others, and some will retaliate toward whoever they see as being to blame, be it accurate or not. That is how people, how individuality, works.
Doing something about this lack of trust and cooperation between us is essential to make our time spent together productive. You can't work well together with split forces. We're all over the place, as things stands.
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Your desire to hold us responsible for the fact that many of the new gods and shinki unfairly blame us and refuse trust or cooperation is misplaced. It is your responsibility to learn to trust and reach out to your seniors if you wish to enjoy the benefits of cooperation with the Heavens.
Under normal circumstances, those who unlawfully attack a god's person, temple or shinki are subject to any penalty imposed by the god they so attack. We would hear a demand for redress made by any attacked god unable to personally retaliate.
Consequences that we would impose would depend on the damage done by the attacker. The concept of "an eye for an eye" may serve as a guideline.
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Pardon my rudeness; I realize that while we are much younger than you are and as such reasonably could be considered children in your eyes, saying that you show tolerance and in particular indulgence come off as very patronizing, and that doesn't sit well with most people, even with actual children. It does not exactly help in cultivating mutual respect, which is something that is sorely lacking between both camps at this point in time.
I am not desiring to hold you responsible for the unjust blame or the refusal of trust, nor is the whole of the new members of your community. It is wholly a shared responsibility.
It is not entirely our responsibility. It is also not entirely your responsibility. It is both parties responsibility. I am aware that this is an unwanted situation for you as well as it is for us however if only one side is expected to reach out it will be to the benefit of none, and will only breed further distrust and divide.
Trust is not a one way street. It cannot be born without mutual desire and efforts to make it work from both sides.
Also, if I may be so bold as to say, though I am sure that I am speaking out of turn, but as the leader of this community, is it not most of all your personal responsibility to see that trust is built? From my understanding you don't wish for any discord between us either. It only serves to make your job of managing the heavens more difficult. You are meant to be our leader, as well, are you not? We are not meant to be split into factions of "old" and "new". Even if we change and disappear and the likes, we are still meant to be one unit. As such, simply hiding away in you temple and only meeting us face to face on occasion is not going to build much trust, and this could be detrimental.
The way things are now, with such obvious distrust, it could hardly be considered an ideal situation even with the disorder our arrival has brought to your doorstep naturally would cause. We may not for the most part be clawing at each others throats constantly, but you could perhaps agree that this is hardly the best social climate that we could be in.
The law of retaliation is an easily understood concept, and it is an old way of handling the law. However I would guess that many people don't come from such societies, any more. There was a person who once said, that "The old law of an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind." He was not referring to this in specific, not by far, but since you did mention it. It has also been spoken against in other areas, even in religious texts.
Redressing your ways of how to dole out punishment may have a need to be reexamined. Times have changed, Lady Amaterasu, and it is something that one should take into consideration. If you were to research various legal systems, you may learn from them. There should be something of value among all the legal systems that exists around the world.
[ Even to you old coots... is something he almost writes. But he's not that suicidal. Even if he's apparently sufficiently suicidal without the comments he wants to add.
He so wants to comment on what a load of crap her advisers are. They're irresponsible buffoons and he wants to give them a load of his mind. Or a boot up their ass. Or both. But that would not sit well with the regime, he's sure. Stubborn old fools.
He is so close to bursting, he should probably end this conversation before he says something really stupid. ]
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No experienced shinki who attempted to break into my temple and confront me in anger would be released without punishment. No god who allowed their shinki to take such actions would escape without censure.
Should you wish us to begin treating you as full equals of any other gods of your rank and seniority, we can do so. This does not mean that I would treat you as my equal. I am the queen of Heaven. You are not my equals. So long as you reside here, you are my subjects, and you should reflect on your proper place.
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He'll definitely say something he should definitely not say if he lets himself reply to this message, so. He just. Won't.
He would have realized that the internet was a mistake years ago but being in places without any connection for about 15 years only made him realize this now.
(People of such authority should probably not be on social media at all to be honest.)
He knows that she's the queen of heaven, that's why he is trying to not say something that will cause way more damage than could be repairable. Maybe he already has though.
He's just... Done.
D2 tries to refrain from swearing but fuck this, he thinks. He's going to go to a shooting range or a gym or something and vent his frustration instead, because this is not a productive conversation, obviously. ]